Why I think Noah's "erets" flood occurred around 9,600 BC
and ended in Turkey.
Intro: For a long time I thought the flood waters destroyed all air
breathing life on earth, except for those in the ark.
That view has problems. I now believe the flood, at the minimum,
filled the land of Turkey up with water. As 1st Samuel 30:16 shows
sometimes "the whole earth" or "all the earth" can refer to a country
or land area. The word translated land or earth in 1st Samuel 30:16 is
the main one of the two words used in Genesis when talking about the
extent of Noah's flood. Either Hebrew word "erets" or "adamah" can
refer to a country, land, or earth. In the New Testament "world" from
"cosmos" can refer to world in a narrow or in a broad way. John 12:19
is an example where it was meant in a narrow sense. I also don't think
the flood was caused by an overflowing river or why build an ark? Why
not just move yourself and the animals to higher land? I think the flood
covered the tops of the mountains Noah was able to observe.
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Note: Various mountains and other visible parts of the earth were
covered by water in the past. However, they were not all covered by
water at the same time! Different areas of the earth were covered by
water at different times.
(1) Why were many caves with drawings and movable art made by man,
blocked around 10,000 B.C. to 12,000 B.C. "Images of the Ice Age"
by Paul G Bahn. Page 56. Third paragraph down. I think many of the
caves became blocked due to the flexing of the earth's crust as Mars
caused crustal tides in the earth, around Spain & Turkey, etc. (It's
possible the date is off some.)
(2) Did Noah's "erets" flood cover the whole Earth or the whole land?
"Erets" and "adamah" the Hebrew words normally translated Earth in our
English Bibles when talking about the flood can also be translated
"country" or "land." I believe "erets" and "adamah" are better translated
land when talking about the area the flood covered. But I also believe
the flood probably affected the whole Earth.
(3) How much of the Earth was covered by flood waters when Noah's flood
occurred? I see two possibilities.
A) Primarily Turkey, and of course the area on the opposite side of the
Earth. I think this idea is correct if Mars made about 2 and 1/4 very
elliptical geostationary orbits around the Earth before Mars was pulled
close enough to the Earth that it reached escape velocity. The Bible
tells us the ark landed in the mountains of Ararat. The mountains of
Ararat refer to an area, not necessarily Mount Ararat. At that time,
Mars was not over Turkey. Mars was over the part of the Earth that was
bulging out. Turkey was part of the Earth that was sunk in some.
However, the waters of the oceans, particular the Mediterranean Sea
flooded over the mountains of Turkey as the waters sought to level out.
Then, after Mars reached escape velocity it proceeded on, leaving the
Earth. The waters from the oceans returned back to the oceans, except
for the flood waters that were trapped in Turkey which is surrounded
on all sides by Mountains. Eventually, Noah found himself in the ark
inside a big slowly leaking bowl we call Turkey. He proceeded
to record his captain's log from inside the ark in Turkey. He noted
that it rained for 40 days and nights.
B) A great deal of the Earth, if Mars made between 40 and 150 very
elliptical geostationary orbits around the Earth before Mars was pulled
close enough to the Earth so it reached escape velocity. Genesis 7:11
says the fountains of the great deep (the oceans) and the windows of
heaven (the sky) were opened on the 17th of the 2nd month. Genesis 7:12
says it rained for 40 days and nights. Genesis 7:17 says the flood was
on the earth for 40 days. Genesis 7:24 says the waters prevailed for
150 days on the earth. Genesis 8:1 says God made a wind go over the
earth and the waters subsided. Genesis 8:2 says the fountains of
the deep (the oceans) and the windows of heaven (the sky) were stopped.
Genesis 8:3 says after 150 days the waters were abated or decreased.
Genesis 8:4 says the ark rested (probably moored via anchor according
to David Fasold in "The Ark of Noah") on the 17th of the 7th month.
That was 150 days after the start of the flood. I believe we know the
approximate landing point of the ark but where was the launching point
of the ark? Was the ark launched from Turkey, Spain, or perhaps
Tiahuanaco in Bolovia in South America? I first heard of the idea the
ark's lifting off point may have been Tiahuanaco in Bolovia in David
Fasold's book, "The Ark of Noah." I think Mars made 150 orbits
around the Earth before the gravity of probably Jupiter, in this case,
finally pulled Mars close enough to the Earth that Mars reached escape
velocity. According to this idea, the orbit of Mars around the Earth
wasn't exactly geostationary. Thus the flood waters and the ark
gradually moved Eastward or Westward from the ark's launching
point to its resting (mooring) site in Turkey. Gilbert de
Jong presents evidence from Plato and other sources that
Bolovia and a series of Islands between Asia and South America
were destroyed in 9600 BC. You can read what Plato wrote about
Atlantis by clicking on page 2 of Timaeus. Tablet eleven of Gilgamesh
by John Gardner and John Maier describes the flood Utnapishtim survived by
using a reed-wall house to construct an ark. Utnapishtim's flood story
includes a dove, a swallow, a crow, and a plant eaten to make the old
young again. Atlantis has more interesting evidence about
the possible location of Atlantis in Bolivia in South America. Tiahuanaco
and the Deluge contains information about a preflood(?) settlement
under the lake near Tiahuanaco, a 290 day preflood calendar, and a small
satellite that orbited the Earth causing many solar and lunar eclipses
every year. You can read more about this in "The Calendar of Tiahuanaco"
by H. S. Bellamy and P. Allan. I disagree with much of Hoerbiger's
(3) Why is the oldest know town dated around 6500 B.C. in Turkey?
(First paragraph under History.)
(4) Why are the oldest farming communities in Europe dated by
radiocarbon as around 6200 B.C. and younger? "European Prehistory"
by Sarunas Milisauskas C 1978 by Academic Press, Inc. Page 47.
(5) Why can't we date the flood using the Genesis genealogies?
Because the Bible shows us there are gaps in the Biblical genealogies.
(6) It's interesting that Professor Alexander Tollmann, a geologist,
also thinks the flood was around 12,000 years ago. However, he
thinks a large comet hit the earth. He points to two discoveries
to back up his claim. Like Patten, he thinks part of the ozone
layer was destroyed at the time of Noah's flood. As Patten points
out in his book "The Biblical Flood and the Ice Epoch", and his
video "Cataclycism From Space 2800 B.C." Ozone in earth's upper
atmosphere shields life on earth's surface from the destructive
short wave radiation coming from the sun. However, any ozone in our
breathable environment is very toxic and causes extreme loss of
Before the flood men lived about 900 years. After the flood men only
lived about 70 years. The longevity of the patriarchs before the flood
many have been caused by a plant. How so? The ends of our chromosomes
are capped by telomeres. Normal cells cannot divide unless their
telomeres are long enough. Normal aging reduces the length of a
chromosome's telomeres. Eventually, the telomeres become too short for
the cell to recognize them. Then the cell dies without being replaced.
The enzyme telomerase, when coded for by the cell, helps keep and restore
telomeres to their proper length. Before Noah's "erets" flood this
special plant many have supplied or activated the enzyme telomerase.
It could also be there was a plant that supplied compounds like CoQ10,
Alpha Lipoic Acid, etc. After the flood, this plant may have become
more scarce and thus less eaten, until the use of it finally stopped.
It seems it is also possible for a severe enough impact to abruptly
bring about winter and an ice age.
You can read more about Professor Tollmann's evidences and idea at
There is an article by Flavio Barbiero which presents some
evidence that 11,600 years ago some astronomical catastrophy happen that
caused our last recent ice age and the Magnetic Poles of the earth to
shift. "The FLOOD" Appendix B and "The Curse" Appendix A have more
scientific evidences supporting the idea that Noah's Flood occurred
around 12,000 years ago.
(7) Why did many animals especially in North America but also in
Europe, South America, Africa and Asia become extinct around
9,000 B.C. Did many of these larger animals, including mammoths
and sabor toothed tigers, die off as the result of a sudden ice age
which occurred around 11,600 BC? Maybe so, maybe not. There is a
good article at Talk Origins on "Ice Core Dating" by Matt Brinkman.
Concerning the Antarctica, Paul Heinrich has written about the
Oronteus Finaeus Map of 1532 and the Phillip Buache Map of 1737.
(8) Glenn Morton reveals the entire geologic column is found in
proper order at 24 different locations. Glenn, a Bible believing
Christian, examines this evidence, and shows Noah's flood covered the
whole "erets," land or country, but not the whole earth. However, Glenn
doesn't think the flood was in Turkey. You can read where and when Glenn
Morton believes Noah's flood occurred. That informations about 3/4
of the way down the article.
(9) According to the Hebrew text Noah's ark may have been covered with
"gopher ets" reed stalks which were evidently covered primarily with
magma or lava which probably had pumice, and natrons or salt compounds
in it. This evidently resulted in a type of cement covering which was very
strong, light, and waterproof. The VHS video "The Ark of Noah" shows a
section of this covering which was found near where some think the remains
of Noah's ark are 17 miles south of Mt Ararat at the base of Al Judi. This
section looks like it has the ribs of stalks inside it. Since the reed
stalks were once living I suggest these reeds be dated by a radiometric
dating method like carbon-14. It should be easy to determine if this
is a hoax or if it might actually be a section of siding that covered
Noah's ark. The radiometric date of the reeds if not a hoax should
help us to determine when Noah's flood actually occurred. Would someone
who is an expert in this arrange to have the reeds inside one of
these sections dated by carbon-14? The "Ark of Noah" by David Fasold
covers exactly how the ark was probably built with the bundles of reed
stalks in great detail. Dr Thor Heyerdahl oversaw the construction of two
reed boats in 1969-1970. In his first reed boat he and his crew sailed
almost 3000 miles while his second reed boat sailed over 3000 miles.
Lake Titicaca in Bolovia has floating totora reeds which some use to make
In closing this article I would like to direct you to "The Flood
Is Found" by D. Laing at Mysteries of the Bible. D. Laing believes
geological evidence for Noah's "erets" flood has been found in the
Black Sea Basin, which dates the flood at around 5,500 B.C. "The
Flood Is Found" is a very informative and thought provoking article.
However, I currently think the flood was around 9,600 BC It may also be
possible that Noah's flood occurred around 9,600 BC and another flood
occurred later around 5,500 BC. Also, Glenn Morton has an article titled,
"Why the Black Sea is not the Site of Noah's Flood."Remember you can
read where and when Glenn Morton believes Noah's flood occurred.
I'm linking to these articles because we are after the truth of when and
where Noah's "erets" flood occurred.